With John Zorn (alto sax) and Fred Frith (guitar). Ostertag liner notes, 1990: "This recording is the direct precursor to Say No More. Here I also began with solo recordings, one by John Zorn and the other by Fred Frith. But instead of performing improvisations they merely recorded an "inventory" of the sounds they make. The cd is divided into halves. Slam Dunk is a series of 26 extremely short solos which I performed using only the sounds of John's sax. In Sleepless I use Fred's source material, but instead of playing solo I brought him back into the studio and we played duos, but with me only using his own guitar sounds. The development of digital sampling in creative musical directions is currently constrained by legal restrictions often imposed by huge corporations who view music more as property than creative process. In this project, I was thus fortunate to have Fred and John's collaboration, who gave me complete freedom in my use of their material. John and Fred play highly personalized, idiosyncratic music. I have not only used their sounds as my building blocks, but have also tried to shape these two pieces in ways that pay respective tribute to their musics as a whole."